Comments on: ATI 4850 Review http://deals.motherboardpro.com/deal/85 It all starts with a Motherboard Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:40:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: SenorMule http://deals.motherboardpro.com/deal/85#comment-1457 SenorMule Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:29:58 +0000 http://deals.motherboardpro.com/deal/85#comment-1457 ATI and Visiontek are extremely disinterested in making the 4800 series stable. I have 2 of them, and presently the intel bonetrail 2 board. It is not stable on XP Pro 32 and 64 bit, nor is it stable on Vista 32 and 64 Ultimate. I have centered down on the problem and spoken with BOTH ATI and VISIONTEK - 7 times to have their driver team investigate my findings. I was told that because I am not a software engineer, they disregard any of my findings. Sorry guys, but the profession I chose pays about double to a software engineer, still doesn't mean I am a cro magnun at a keyboard :P I have the exact same problem on ASUS, MSI and Intel boards. My setup is Intel DX48BT2 (Bonetrail 2) Motherboard 2 Seagate 1TB hard disks 8 GB of DDR3 ram (2 sets) (Corsair xms3-1333MHz 1.7V CM3X2048-133c9dhx) set at 1.62 volts 9-9-9-24 2T timing 2 visiontek ati 4850 video cards Intel Q9550 processor Power supply is 1000W Silverstone Strider Series 1 memorex DL DVD RW (ata) 1 LG GGW-H20L Blu Ray RW & HD DVD ROM (sata) the ominous problem is (across thousands of ATI cards atm. Log Name: Application Source: Microsoft-Windows-WMI Date: 8/27/2008 6:56:35 PM Event ID: 10 Task Category: None Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: Dad-PC Description: Event filter with query "SELECT * FROM __InstanceModificationEvent WITHIN 60 WHERE TargetInstance ISA "Win32_Processor" AND TargetInstance.LoadPercentage > 99" could not be reactivated in namespace "//./root/CIMV2" because of error 0x80041003. Events cannot be delivered through this filter until the problem is corrected. Event Xml: 10 0 2 0 0 0x80000000000000 904 Application Dad-PC //./root/CIMV2 SELECT * FROM __InstanceModificationEvent WITHIN 60 WHERE TargetInstance ISA "Win32_Processor" AND TargetInstance.LoadPercentage > 99 0x80041003 or I get the BSOD ATI.DKG error Seems like WMI isn't compliant with ATI drivers The stores are lined with returned cards, and several places selling a replica of my system won't sell them now due to the high volumes of returns. I have a ticket # 1360265 with ATI, and they cannot resolve the issue nor can Visiontek. Heat is not an issue either, I would be happy to post pics of my homemade "windtunnel" GPU main is stable 58 degrees Celcius, and secondary card 52 degrees Celcius without fans on. I have run though all the various set ups , and installed Vista 64 Ultimate over 30 times, across 3 sets of 8gb ram, and 5 different MOBOs from 3 different manufacturers - all parts are supposed to be 100% compliant. This particular ram has an operating voltage of 1.52 - 1.7v as per the chief engineer in the XMS3 dept of Corsair. In my long journey to try and get these cards working, I helped identify a compatibility problem with this ram set and the MSI P45 Diamond motherboard, and they have changed the latency setting since then. the same latency setting is for this particular board. and the voltages are optimum. if you read the error message it does not point to the ram, but to a major incompatibility with Microsoft-Windows-WMI!!!! This is a driver issue that is returning values less than 99 and causing it to crash, usually system dropping video cards and unable to start them, and as VGA SAVE kicks in it causes a BSOD. I can't believe ATI nor Visiontek have never heard of these crashing problems, just for kicks try googling "4850 crash" and it appears in nearly every motherboard forum. ATI states and Visiontek as wel that these boards are compatible and operate with these cards, yet have never tested them, Pretty sloppy to state something works and don't have drivers IMO. ATI and Visiontek are extremely disinterested in making the 4800 series stable. I have 2 of them, and presently the intel bonetrail 2 board.
It is not stable on XP Pro 32 and 64 bit, nor is it stable on Vista 32 and 64 Ultimate.

I have centered down on the problem and spoken with BOTH ATI and VISIONTEK - 7 times to have their driver team investigate my findings.
I was told that because I am not a software engineer, they disregard any of my findings. Sorry guys, but the profession I chose pays about double to a software engineer, still doesn’t mean I am a cro magnun at a keyboard :P

I have the exact same problem on ASUS, MSI and Intel boards.

My setup is Intel DX48BT2 (Bonetrail 2) Motherboard
2 Seagate 1TB hard disks
8 GB of DDR3 ram (2 sets) (Corsair xms3-1333MHz 1.7V CM3X2048-133c9dhx) set at 1.62 volts 9-9-9-24 2T timing
2 visiontek ati 4850 video cards
Intel Q9550 processor
Power supply is 1000W Silverstone Strider Series
1 memorex DL DVD RW (ata)
1 LG GGW-H20L Blu Ray RW & HD DVD ROM (sata)

the ominous problem is (across thousands of ATI cards atm.

Log Name: Application
Source: Microsoft-Windows-WMI
Date: 8/27/2008 6:56:35 PM
Event ID: 10
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: Dad-PC
Description:
Event filter with query “SELECT * FROM __InstanceModificationEvent WITHIN 60 WHERE TargetInstance ISA “Win32_Processor” AND TargetInstance.LoadPercentage > 99″ could not be reactivated in namespace “//./root/CIMV2″ because of error 0×80041003. Events cannot be delivered through this filter until the problem is corrected.
Event Xml:

10
0
2
0
0
0×80000000000000

904

Application
Dad-PC

//./root/CIMV2
SELECT * FROM __InstanceModificationEvent WITHIN 60 WHERE TargetInstance ISA “Win32_Processor” AND TargetInstance.LoadPercentage > 99
0×80041003

or I get the BSOD ATI.DKG error

Seems like WMI isn’t compliant with ATI drivers

The stores are lined with returned cards, and several places selling a replica of my system won’t sell them now due to the high volumes of returns.

I have a ticket # 1360265 with ATI, and they cannot resolve the issue nor can Visiontek.

Heat is not an issue either, I would be happy to post pics of my homemade “windtunnel” GPU main is stable 58 degrees Celcius, and secondary card 52 degrees Celcius without fans on.

I have run though all the various set ups , and installed Vista 64 Ultimate over 30 times, across 3 sets of 8gb ram, and 5 different MOBOs from 3 different manufacturers - all parts are supposed to be 100% compliant.

This particular ram has an operating voltage of 1.52 - 1.7v as per the chief engineer in the XMS3 dept of Corsair. In my long journey to try and get these cards working, I helped identify a compatibility problem with this ram set and the MSI P45 Diamond motherboard, and they have changed the latency setting since then. the same latency setting is for this particular board. and the voltages are optimum. if you read the error message it does not point to the ram, but to a major incompatibility with Microsoft-Windows-WMI!!!!

This is a driver issue that is returning values less than 99 and causing it to crash, usually system dropping video cards and unable to start them, and as VGA SAVE kicks in it causes a BSOD.

I can’t believe ATI nor Visiontek have never heard of these crashing problems, just for kicks try googling “4850 crash” and it appears in nearly every motherboard forum. ATI states and Visiontek as wel that these boards are compatible and operate with these cards, yet have never tested them, Pretty sloppy to state something works and don’t have drivers IMO.

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